Here it is..I don't know if its worth 849 plus 4 hours labor but I wanted to bring this information to you.

Each of you should have fun reading this either way..

Enjoy!

Well, for those of you who have waited for this day, it's finally here. The Jay Fisher Pontiac (JFP)/Joe Prince Racing (JPR) Billet Electric Water Pump is now scheduled for production and available to the public. All of the testing, measuring and pricing is finally done. We know it's been a long time coming, but wait was worth it. Pricing has been set at $849.95, which includes everything necessary to install the complete assembly in a matter of hours. Installation should take no more then four hours, beginning to end. The hardest part of the whole installation will be assembling the braided lines. Every other part of the installation is straight forward and requires no special tools or mechanical abilities. The JFP/JPR pump works on all vehicles equipped with an LS1 engine, such as all 1997-2002 Corvettes and V8-equipped 1998-2002 Camaros and Firebirds. This pump will also work on all LS1-derivative engine, too, such as the 4.8-, 5.3- and 6.0-liter engines found in most 1999-2002 GM full-size trucks and sport utilities. The parts includes with the JFP/JPR Electric Water Pump are as follows:
1) Pump Body with required fittings and gaskets
2) Remote-mount pump with all electrical attachments and mounting parts
3) Five feet of braided line
4) All fittings required to connect the remote-mount pump to the housing body
5) Plug to replace the temperature sensor when relocating it from the cylinder head to the water pump body.
Testing has confirmed of an average ET reduction of two-tenths, and a gain of two mph in the quarter mile. These figures were accomplished on two stock 1999 6-speed Trans Ams and a modified 2000 Camaro SS, equipped with an automatic. When the improved times were accomplished on these vehicles, none of them had received any other changes besides the installation of the water pump. It was also found that by removing the accessory belt, a function you can perform safely with this pump, an additional ET reduction of 1.5 tenths and a gain of 1.5 mph was had. The JFP/JPR Electric Waterpump is a must for car with increased cylinder pressure and, or higher operating temperatures, such as supercharged, or turbocharged cars. LS1-powered vehicles equipped with increased compression and, or larger displacement engines are also great candidates for this pump. Although the JFP/JPR Electric Water Pump is an off-road design, it still retains full functionality for unsurpassed reliability and streetability.

Heres the rest of the thread..LOL

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Will you be having dealers or just sold through the dealership?
Also how does yours compare to the Mezerie unit?, Thanks

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Nick Agostino
AGOSTINO RACING ENGINES
905-420-9195
http://www.Agostino-Racing.com

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9T9BlueTA
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posted December 19, 2001 04:56 PM
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1- Do you have any pics of the pump installed or the entire set?
2- How long is this pump supposed to last?
3- Are there any other recommended items such as a new thermostat?
4- Any warrenties or such on the pump?
I will be the first to say its more than I expected but I am glad to see it finally available.


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99 Navy Blue Trans-Am Borla,Whisper lid,K&N filter,B&M Ripper,Hotchkis Brace,SLP bolt-on SFC's and Hotchkis rear suspension. Mecham hood/Wing.
Joe Prince Stage I heads and ported MAF.
Comp Cam 212/218 114 Cam,LS6 Intake, TTS LT headers with Y-Pipe and Cats.

Jim

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Abe@FisherPontiac
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posted December 19, 2001 05:25 PM
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Nick, we do have dealer pricing available. Contact me privately at my E-mail. Abergian@aol.com.
And to answer your question about comparing our pump to the Meziere unit... There is no comparison. The Meziere unit is a race-only piece that requires custom accessory bracketry and routing. Also, the Meziere unit provides conventional cooling. Lastly, the Meziere pump has no thermostat or heater provisions. Our unit is designed to work perfectly on the street for the life of the vehicle, sacrificing no reliability, drivability, or functionality.
9T9BlueTA, here are your answers:
1- Do you have any pics of the pump installed or the entire set?
Pictures will be up on the web page shortly, within the next day or so.
2- How long is this pump supposed to last? We've had testing up to 80,000 miles on the original motor design from the LT1 (Which is the same pump motor used for the new LS1 unit) But, if there's still a concern, CSI provides a warranty on the pump.
3- Are there any other recommended items such as a new thermostat?
Use a 180-degree thermostat in the winter and a 160-degree unit in the summer.
4- Any warranties or such on the pump?
As mentioned, there's a warranty on the pump motor and a 1-year guaranty against workmanship on the pump housing and body.
Thanks

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Abraham Bergian
Marketing Manager for Jay Fisher Pontiac
E-mail: Abergian@aol.com
Phone: 856-358-6611
1998 Camaro SS MN6
1989 Turbo Trans Am
1992 Suburban
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FastAl
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posted December 19, 2001 05:34 PM
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I know what I'm buying soon
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Great job! How about a special introductory price haha I just added it to my "must get" list.
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please clarify the thermo. The last i heard was Joe saying to use the 180 all of the time. Also there was discussion about a long life electric motor, which motor is used. thanks
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posted December 19, 2001 08:05 PM
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Does it come with an LS1 engine attached? At at least tell me that I get vaseline for my $850.
You know what the sad part is? After factoring in the "LS1-gouge factor", I was actually prepared to pay (an already astronomical) $600 or so. But obviously I still managed to underestimate it.

This is not a flame....and yes, I can honestly appreciate the effort, time and $$ that was spent developing and perfecting it. But Damn...this is getting ridiculous. $2500 ported STOCK heads, $500 Cams, $1300 headers, $500 "Custom tuning" (that's straight "off the shelf") , and now a $900 (w/ shipping) waterpumps. Will it ever end?

Again this is not a flame, but more of a frustration post. I know that going fast costs...but I was hoping to avoid mortgaging the house for this pump.

Congratulations and Good luck with your new pump. I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes, depsite the price.


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My Camaro SSite

PERFORMANCE MODS: MMS Stg II Heads/Cam, FLP L/Tubes and other assorted Bolt-ons....

00' SVT Lightning: 13.22 @ 104 (1.97 60' on stock rubber)

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Jay 95WS6
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posted December 19, 2001 08:42 PM
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Paul
we feel for your concerns and agree with you,but unlike the small block chevy the LS1 didn't come over on the Mayflower, so the costs are a little higher, but it's all new for us too. Maybe when the LS1 is 45 years old parts will be more inexpensive for them then. I'm not trying to act aloof but we have to compare with prices for SBC parts which with the age of that technology most things are very available, and obviously the LS1 doesn't have that luxury.

Thanks for your input

Jay

I think the new rush of different types of superchargers will make this item a very smart investment..for keeping everything cool..

Labors all in the supercharger install already anyway I bet..

$850 plus labor??? Yikes!?!?!

Wasn't there a reason why the LS-1 has a regular water pump setup rather than the reverse setup found in the LT-1? I remember reading about it. But, I can't remember the reasoning behind the change.

I think they must have slowed the pump down..or something..originally they were suggesting staying with stock thermostat..

Now they are saying the 180 degree is the best all around thermostat and if you want to go nuts..in the summer put the 160 degree thermostat in..

If I did this..which I'm not sure..I'm not swapping thermostats seasonally?

Who does that? Not this lazy guy..lol

Anyways heres the designer on the unit and some questions about quality..

posted December 19, 2001 10:13 PM
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please clarify the thermo. The last i heard was Joe saying to use the 180 all of the time. Also there was discussion about a long life electric motor, which motor is used. thanks

Your answer to the thermo question would be a matter of fine tuning for ambient conditions. I have found in my R&D that the 180 thermo works perfect on the highway in the winter 45 F and below. The 160 stat runs the heads too cold on the highway at a constant 95 MPH in those temps. So, 50F and above, a 160 thermo in the summer is perfect for maintaining a constant target head temp, and the 180 in the winter is great for keeping good heat in the cabin and maintains a desirable head temp. The electric motor that we are using is the 4 brush DC current CSI motor with a snubber diode which has a great track record for longevity.

As for the pricing, we went first class and top notch with the materials/ hoses/fittings, no short cuts on quality, it is show appearance from JPR/JFP

Joe.

Bruce, according to Joe Prince ..the reason that GM didn't produce the reverse flow coolant system was that they would have had to pay royalities to the gentlemen who designed it..He said the areation issue was not a problem and that originally the ls1 was scheduled for reverse flow..

This was his answer on the forums..

Please take that fwiw!

850 plus 4 hours labor is a hunk of change..

did not the C-4 corvettes have reverse flow?

LT1's and LT4's had reverse flow coolant systems.

I'm not willing to pay $20 for the newest Zaino so you guys know I'm not going to shell out $1,000 plus for a reverse osmosis water pump filtering dodad! I love the idea of changing the thermostat out in the summer and winter - NOT! Next thing you know people will be doing a complete teardown after each run to Sam's Club or Wallmart!

Can you see my post?

"I ran down to Costco today for some toilet paper and had a chance to get on it for about 50 feet. Wow - the performance was awesome. After I got home I took the heads off and decided why stop there so I removed the engine and rebuilt both the top and bottom ends. Used this opportunity to change out the REVERSE FLOW WATER PUMP and Thermostat, too. What the hell - I was in there anyway! Tomorrow I'm driving to Pep Boys - It's farther down the road than Costco so I'll probably be rebuilding the rear end and breaking the engine down for some new bearings! Might be a good time to change back to the original thermostat." :p

Fido..its not 20 bucks for the Zaino..I think it was a whole $1.50 for the ZFX ..should last about 4 months..LOL..

You know you need that super shell ZFX hardner..

As far as the water pump thing..goes..I sort of reached a place where I'm not sure about the value?

But Fido...what the heck is Costco's? Is that like some save a dime buy a billion of an item place?

So what your basically saying Fido is that if ZFX hardener was available by the gallon you'd buy it because it would cost you $1.41 per 4 months application..and not the $1.50 LOL ..

I think ZFX works out to a penny a day per 4 month period.........Just make sure you rub it on your car......

Pass on the water pump..You might be right mr. Fido..Something to be said for remaining just as you are...I know..I know..your car is perfect just the way it is...LOL

All kidding aside I hope you find these threads about new products interesting...whether or not you go for them is not exactly important..

I think the trends on this concept of thermal management will evolve quite quickly..reaching electronic and computer control from bmw to manage fuel effiency/hp/ emissions..more effectively..

I would say 2004, 2005 we will begin to see electric reverse flow pumps on BMW..as well as no mechanical thermostats but ones that are computer controlled..

Interestingly enough.. Did you guys know that gMs' 8.1 liter Vortec V8 is reverse flow cooled? Right from the factory!

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: JBsC5 ]

I would probably do long tube header in place of the water pump if I had to choose between the two. Fido that blue beauty is just begging for ZFX, I know you people in Cali were the weather is always nice want the very best.

I don't know about the other people in California but I usually prefer the best stuff and I'm not cheap like JB!

These car forums get a lot of people going on mods. That's cool. I've done some mods I really like but I only altered the car slightly to my comfort level. Some people would not be happy with my mods. Some would say I went too far and others that I didn't go far enough. To me, my car is dialed in much to my liking. As I added the Halltech, Ripper, CAGS Eliminator, Bassani exhaust and Bilsteins the car seemed to transform into just what I was looking for in a car.

I drive my car everyday. I sometimes drive all the way to Las Vegas by myself. I live in California where emissions laws are tough and I don't want to pollute the environment. I also want to keep my extended warranty in place. Blah blah blah - I'm writing this because it explains why I am not interested in the water pump dodad, the long tube headers(not California legal), non-runflats, heads/cams. The car is so balanced the way it is that I just knew when I was done and it felt good. I enjoy it everyday!

I may someday try the new Zaino but still don't see the big deal. I probably Zaino my car 20 times plus a year because I like doing it. My car always looks great even the day after it rains and I have lots of bottles of Z2 and Z5 and almost a full bottle of Z1. I have bottles of Z6 in the car, on a star, on the boat and in the tote. I keep it under the bed and use it on my head. I use it on the Bug and use it to spot treat the rug. I spray it on Noli and add it to the cannoli.

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A little birdie told me..cheap..cheap!! lol

See ya.